¾Æ·¡´Â È°¡ ÀÚ½ÅÀÇ ¼³¸í; "I am not interested in pain per se, but rather I am fascinated by the evocative force it assumes within the boundaries of popular culture. The iconographic imagery characterizing Western Catholic culture offers plenty of examples of images related to pain and suffering. This nearly appears as a compulsory step in a path towards catharsis, as for saints and martyrs; and similarly, some of the erotic/sexual rituals involving pain introduce in my opinion a movement towards the 'übersinnlich' (a form of pleasure overcoming mere sexuality), which is nothing but a mystic/ecstatic dimension."